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BoooneDate: Wednesday, 2012-03-07, 14:36 | Message # 11
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Don't know anything about GSG-9 but http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSG-9 biggrin

 
ReibenDate: Wednesday, 2012-03-07, 17:56 | Message # 12
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yeah google is my friend too biggrin

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RaptorDate: Thursday, 2012-03-08, 00:04 | Message # 13
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Well, germany handles things the same way as the usa does concerning special forces: each agency which needs such a special group (or which thinks it could need...) creates his own. Nevertheless I'll try to introduce the most important ones briefly:

KSK
"Kommando Spezialkräfte" (kinda "Command of Special Forces") is a military special force similar to the britsh SAS or US Navy SEALs. Their main tasks are military commando operation like scouting, hostage rescue, counter terror operations, search and destroy. Since they are part of the military, their deployment within german borders is prohibited by the german constitution as long as we do not face war or a serious crisis.
Like similar forces in other countries their operations are mostly secret. They shall give germany the ability to protect, rescue and evacuate our citizens all over the world if necessary.
The unit faces some problems: german military can only act when our parlament agrees first (except immediate danger). This contradicts both secrect and fast deployment.
Btw another fact about german military: highest commander of our armed forces is the "secretary of defense", until the parlament declares war or a serious crisis. In this case the chancellor takes the command of armed forces.

GSG 9
"GrenzSchutzGruppe 9" (kinda "Border Protection Group 9") is a unit of the german federal police, and therefore kind of counterpart to the HRT of the FBI. They are focused on counter terror, hostage rescue and EOD.
As police unit they act mostly inside of germany, but with agreement of another country they can also operate there.

SEK
"Sondereinsatzkommand" (kinda "Special Operation Forces") are german police units similar to american police SWAT. Each federal state (we got 16) has at least one such team.
They are focused on counter terrorism, hostage rescue and high risk warrants.

We got some other special groups like:
- Zentrale Unterstützungsgruppe Zoll ZUZ (Central Custom Support Group)
- Kampfmittelräumdienst KRD (Explosive Ordnance Disposal)
- Mobiles Einsazt Kommando MEK (Mobile Operation Forces)
- Verhandlungsgruppe VG (Negotiator Group)

Btw I'm curious why most people abroad know the GSG9 as german special force. Afaik in germany the majority knows KSK as military and SEK as police, but not really the GSG9. They do not operate really often inside germany, mostly SEK handles things. And in other countries mostly KSK takes the job.


"Teamwork is essential, it gives them someone else to shoot at."
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ReibenDate: Thursday, 2012-03-08, 10:10 | Message # 14
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@ Raptor Yeah i know , ask on you tube what is the best French Special Force unit most of foreign people will say GIGN. Sure they are good, they have military statut, but they are not really the French Army special forces. They are specialized on hostage situation (like Marignane), they can arrest criminal war (like in KOSOVO), they can use explosive and work with other French special forces, (like they did in the "Ponnant" case). But in a real war, GIGN will be using less than other special units except for mission described above.

But most of the people never hear (mb it's a good thing) about 1 er RPIMa( wich has the same motto as british SAS but translated in French. Who dares win. Qui ose gagne) 13 RDP French navy commando "Les commando marines" (equivalent of Navy seals or SAS. They were formed by SAS during WW2) or CPA 10. Those units are the real special forces of France. And i don't speak about those one which are "tier 2" as american said (second cercle)

Btw i could add those units in this topic because some of them (1 RPIMa/ commando marines) have anti- terrorist unit. They have been used in 2008 with GIGN fot the case "Le ponnant".

And thanks to Arma 2 (OA), i knew the KSK. If you buy it Raptor, you could play with them.

time to do some advertising for my channel: biggrin

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DzentDate: Saturday, 2012-03-10, 18:55 | Message # 15
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"Alpha" - courage and honor!


Group "A" of the Seventh Directorate of the KGB in the world is better known under the name "Alpha" or group "A". The main objective of this special unit - forceful operations to prevent terrorist acts, hostage rescue, etc. In addition, the men of "Alpha" are attracted to the others operations of the FSB, special and high complexity, as well as acts in "hot spots", including Chechnya, Dagestan, Ingushetia, etc.

Similar anti-terror special forces actually exist in many countries, such as SAS - in the UK. Unit "Alpha" is known as one of the most effective and experienced law-enforcement agencies in the world. Unit "Alpha" this year is about 37 years. It was created after the events took place at the Olympic Games in Munich in 1972, when terrorists killed 11 members of the Israeli Olympic team. Over the long history of its existence, the "Alpha" had a huge amount of operations in various locations in Russia, former USSR and abroad, and has accumulated a wealth of experience.

At present the structure of the Office "A" includes:
- headquarter
- 5 departments (one department is constantly on mission in Chechnya)
- Regional Specialty Departments and Services

The honor and courage - it is a tradition for the officers of the Russian armed forces, loyalty oath, and more than a loyalty to the people. So, in 1993 during the revolutionary events in Russia, the officers of the "Alpha" was ordered to storm the White House. But the officers were aware that they will have to kill their fellow countrymen, disobeyed the order and offered the besieged surrendered. And so it happened. Because of this a long time, "Alpha" was in disgrace.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=ZR9beBmSSx8&feature=fvwp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDi-R114StA&feature=fvst
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=MMc7pGA9uLc&feature=endscreen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wt-6E0TkHrM
Some operations are:
> November 26, 2006 - Khasavyurt, Republic of Dagestan.
The elimination of the representative of "Al Qaeda" and the leader of all foreign militants, one of the leaders and financiers of "jihad" in Chechnya and neighboring regions Abu Havsa. The power phase of the operation began with the fact that at the dawn one group intentionally revealed himself. Two militants killed immediately by snipers. At the gate was fired from a grenade launcher, and after that in an armored car KamAZ rushed assault group. Still alive militants took up defensive positions. The offer to surrender, they refused. The operation was finished half an hour later, the victory of special forces "Alpha".

> September 1-3, 2004 - A terrorist act in Beslan
Heavily armed terrorists on the orders of Basayev seized over 1,300 hostages at a school number 1 and the first day of the half hostages were shot. All in all a result of this heinous terrorist attack killed 334 people, 186 of them - the children, and over 800 people were injured. Having shown exceptional courage and heroism, the men of the "Alpha" began under fire rescue the hostages, covering them with himself, and only then began to methodically destroy entrenched in the school, terrorists, who put up fierce resistance.
During the tragic denouement the fighters of "Alpha" killed 27 terrorists (four of 32 died September 1 and 2) and one captured alive. Rescuing the hostages, were killed three members of the "Alpha" - as well as the seven men of group "Vympel".

Major Alexander V. Perov Hero of Russia posthumously, Anticipating the explosion of a grenade, the officer covered the hostages, was mortally wounded but continued to lead the group

Major Vyacheslav Malyarov, He closed a fire line in the direction of the room where the hostages were. Having received the fatal wound continued to fight.

Warrant Officer Oleg V. Loskov faced with four terrorists who were trying to escape from the school building under the cover of the hostages. He had protected the hostages and blocked the road for terrorists. Having received the fatal wound continued to fight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhPeoesZ3Ho

> 23-26 October 2002 - Moscow, Dubrovka
A group of terrorists headed by M. Barayev, took hostage about 900 spectators musical "Nord-Ost", the actors and workers. The bandits demanded a cessation of hostilities in Chechnya, and threatened to bring down the building with the hall,with help the powerful explosive devices. Thanks to the actions taken, before the active phase of several dozen people from among the hostages were rescued by special forces officers of the FSB. Criminals have behaved very aggressively on their hands several deaths. In order to avoid mass casualties, it was decided to conduct a special operation by the FSB Special Purpose Center. During the operation was destroyed 41 terrorists, including the ringleader of the group Movsar Barayev, released more than 750 hostages, including 60 foreigners. More than 120 people have died after their release.

 
ReibenDate: Saturday, 2012-03-10, 19:35 | Message # 16
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I didn't know this unit. When i think to some Russian Anti Terrorist unit, only Spetsnaz smile

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ShaDyDate: Sunday, 2012-03-11, 09:00 | Message # 17
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Russian Anti Terrorist unit, only Spetsnaz

Don't forgot "OMOH" (english I think: OMON)
Specnaz is like special army ops I think smile
 
sernasDate: Sunday, 2012-03-11, 13:05 | Message # 18
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'cпецназ' (specnaz) its just abbreviation of the words 'подразделения специального назначения' (special purpose units) so its not a squad name.
 
ShaDyDate: Sunday, 2012-03-11, 18:34 | Message # 19
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oh thats new for me smile
 
DzentDate: Sunday, 2012-03-11, 20:35 | Message # 20
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Sernas is absolutely right aboyt spetznas. It is only common word for all special units. For examole, there are exist spetcnaz of tax police, or spetcnaz of army (Navy, airborne forces, Air Force ets), EKO Cobra, SWAT, GSG 9, ARW, RENEA - they are all is 'specnaz'

And about OMON (<pronunciation in eng) Special Designation Police Detachment so SDPD. I do not like that guys becouse bigest part of them only stupid machine. If you want to see them, u can visit some football match or public meeting. They are impact force of goverment, detachment of Mechanical Processing of the Population (as an option - Male Detachment Special Tenderness). Is it necessary to disperse a demonstration? Tired of the crowds of ShitEaters and townies? Do not question. Call, these guys do not keep you waiting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDA3vGF6Y9w&feature=fvst
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1nrNgJq7WU

P.s Anyway they are doing a necessary work (some time, rarely). And if talk truly there are exist some elit OMON units which can resist armed and agressiv enemy, like "Zubr" (auroch in eng) in the city of Moscow, or 'Bastion' (stronghold) is Saint-peterburg.


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